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Title: Presentation and question on Tamiya Spitfire Mk IX
Post by: al49 on January 05, 2010, 03:49:54 PM
Hello everybody,
I just joined this forum and, first of all, I like to briefly present myself:
I'm Italian, I live in Milan and I'm 60.
Two years ago I retired from business so I have again the time and the opportunity to dedicate a good portion of my time to aircraft modelling.
My preferred subjects are, of course, Italian aircraft preferably WW2 ones but not only.
My preferred scale is 1:32
Here following a couple of my latest builds:
A Fiat G-55 figther with markings of ANR
http://images6.fotoalbum.virgilio.it/v/www1-6/200/200197/361256/DSCN0614-vi.jpg
http://images5.fotoalbum.virgilio.it/v/www1-5/200/200197/361256/DSCN0639-vi.jpg
A Canadair Cl-13 with marking of 4 Aerobrigata
http://images5.fotoalbum.virgilio.it/v/www1-5/200/200197/408288/DSCN0654-vi.jpg
http://images5.fotoalbum.virgilio.it/v/www1-5/200/200197/408288/DSCN0655-vi.jpg

Now my question.
For once I decided to leave apart Italian subjects and I just purchased the new Tamiya Spitfire kit; then I started searching the web to understand if Tamiya recommendation for colours are correct and specially for underside colour I found many different opinions
The recommender colours are:
AS-30 (Dark Green2) and AS-31(Ocean Gray 2) for upper surfaces and AS-32 (Medium Sea Gray 2) underneath.
What do you think?
If they are correct, do you know if there are equivalents in other acrilics like Gunze?
Or, do you recommend anything else?
Many thanks in advance for your help and best regards
Alberto


Title: Re: Presentation and question on Tamiya Spitfire Mk IX
Post by: magnusf on January 05, 2010, 05:49:34 PM
Hi Alberto!

I wish I had the kind of spare time that you have :-) !

AS-30, -31 and -32 are Tamiya spray cans that were especially developed to coincide with the release of the 1/32 Spitfire. I haven't seen them used myself but I see no reason to doubt that Tamiya have done their homework well! I would be tempted to try them.

They have also released three paints in their "ordinary" acrylic range corresponding to the spray cans, these are XF-81 (Dark Green), XF-82 (Ocean Grey) and XF-83 (Medium Sea Grey). I find this range of paints to be an acceptable substitute for Gunze but I haven't tried any of the XF-81, -82 and -83 even if I asked for them at the LHS today (they hadn't arrived yet).

For Gunze alternatives, this is what I have found:
Dark green - Gunze H73
Ocean grey - No Gunze equivalent
Medium sea grey - Gunze H335

Best regards

Magnus


Title: Re: Presentation and question on Tamiya Spitfire Mk IX
Post by: al49 on January 05, 2010, 08:40:08 PM
Hi Magnus,
many thanks for your answer.
Honestly I have nothing against in using paints suggested by Tamiya but one issue I had was that, to the best of my knowledge, they were available only in spray form, difficult to use on small details ... ten you told me about the "ordinary" equivalents, exactly what I needed!
Many thanks again and best regards
Alberto


Title: Re: Presentation and question on Tamiya Spitfire Mk IX
Post by: al49 on January 08, 2010, 12:43:24 AM
A few more question, if possible.
Inside this website I found a very nice presentation of the Spitfire cockpit, but it concerns the MK V and I got the feeling that some details do not apply to the Mk IX as well.
More specifically:
1) In the colour leaflet supplied by Tamiya I don't see the three hoses connected to the control column and pneumatically operating the guns? It's just an omission or they were covered or gun were operated differently?
On "Modellers Datafile" I found one picture showing those hoses and an other don't.
2) Is it correct to add the oxygen hose going from the oxygen bottle to nearby pilot' seat or the oxygen mask was connected somewhere else?
3) Still on the above presentation I saw a nice picture of the IFF control
http://www.spitfiresite.com/reference/variants-technology/2009/03/anatomy-of-spitfire-cockpit/images/04n_15_014.jpg
was it different on Mk IX or located in a different place?
4) The throttle lever colour was it yellow or white?
Many thanks in advance to anybody who will be so kind to give me an answer
Alberto


Title: Re: Presentation and question on Tamiya Spitfire Mk IX
Post by: al49 on January 11, 2010, 02:18:41 PM
OK, by intensive searching I found myself  the answers to my questions.
I post them so they can be of some interest for other people.
Pneumatic hoses on control stick:
I found this photo on page 99 of Modeller Datafile no. 3, dedicated to Merlin powered Spitfire. This book is very good, the only drawback, for me at least, is that pictures are too small for my eyes. In any case hoses are clearly there.
http://images2.fotoalbum.virgilio.it/v/www1-2/200/200197/389546/Dettagli0001m-vi.jpg
Oxygen regulator:
A fellow of another forum provided me this drawing.
http://images6.fotoalbum.virgilio.it/v/www1-6/200/200197/389546/oxybottle4large-vi.jpg
This opened my eyes and so I started searching in the right places: as you can see in the following pictures, taken respectively from IPMS Stockholm and this website, gauges and regulator were installed straight on the instrument panel.
http://images6.fotoalbum.virgilio.it/v/www1-6/200/200197/389546/detail_spitfire_ix_34m-vi.jpg
http://images1.fotoalbum.virgilio.it/v/www1-1/200/200197/389546/zues09_016m-vi.jpg
So I can go ahead and continue my work .
I will post photos asap.
Cheers
Alberto


Title: Thanks for sharing!
Post by: magnusf on January 11, 2010, 07:57:48 PM
Thanks for sharing, I am sorry I couldn't help you with this one!

Magnus


Title: Re: Presentation and question on Tamiya Spitfire Mk IX
Post by: al49 on January 12, 2010, 12:29:46 AM

I will post photos asap.
Cheers
Alberto


Here I'm with some photos all components are original from Tamiya kit; I just added a few copper pipes, oxygen hose and pneumatic hoses on the control stick.
Three pictures of starboard cockpit wall:
http://images4.fotoalbum.virgilio.it/v/www1-4/200/200197/417266/DSCN0765-vi.jpg
http://images6.fotoalbum.virgilio.it/v/www1-6/200/200197/417266/DSCN0766-vi.jpg
http://images2.fotoalbum.virgilio.it/v/www1-2/200/200197/417266/DSCN0767-vi.jpg
one picture of the instrument panel and part of the control stick
http://images4.fotoalbum.virgilio.it/v/www1-4/200/200197/417266/DSCN0769-vi.jpg
two pictures of the port wall, still to be assembled
http://images3.fotoalbum.virgilio.it/v/www1-3/200/200197/417266/DSCN0771-vi.jpg
http://images5.fotoalbum.virgilio.it/v/www1-5/200/200197/417266/DSCN0774-vi.jpg
I hope you will like them, but I will also appreciate very much any comment that will help me improve for the next subject.
BR
Alberto


Title: Re: Presentation and question on Tamiya Spitfire Mk IX
Post by: kaysersoze on January 24, 2010, 08:56:45 PM
looking good so far  ;D

the engine in the kit is very detailed but it can be added to if you like to 'busy' it up. i used this site, and a lot of google-searching to do mine.

a word of advice before you get to the stage required. DONT use the kit supplied decals though. they are not very good. the general consensus is to get aftermarket decals. (i put the wing roundels on and they cracked...).
Victory Productions do a set of decals called 'Aces of the Empire' that come highly recommended.


Title: Re: Presentation and question on Tamiya Spitfire Mk IX
Post by: al49 on January 24, 2010, 09:23:29 PM
a word of advice before you get to the stage required. DONT use the kit supplied decals though. they are not very good. the general consensus is to get aftermarket decals. (i put the wing roundels on and they cracked...).
Victory Productions do a set of decals called 'Aces of the Empire' that come highly recommended.
Many thanks for your comment and even more for your advice.
In reality my plan is to make a model concerning a Spitfire used by Italian Airforce in 1947-1950.
On these aircraft the Italian roundels were simply over posed to the British ones, so I need to purchase both of them! So I will do.
Cheers
Alberto


Title: Re: Presentation and question on Tamiya Spitfire Mk IX
Post by: al49 on February 01, 2010, 12:03:14 AM
Hello,
here following are some photos on the assembly as it progress:
My rendition of Hispano 20 mm cannons
(http://images3.fotoalbum.virgilio.it/v/www1-3/200/200197/417266/DSCN0778copy-vi.jpg)
As I decided to do an aeroplane with Italian markings of past WW2 period and as most of them had "E" type wings, I prepared the gun-bays consequently and I made new covers for them.
(http://images3.fotoalbum.virgilio.it/v/www1-3/200/200197/417266/DSCN0787bis-vi.jpg)
I also assembled two Browning M2 m.g. I had from an Aires set
(http://images1.fotoalbum.virgilio.it/v/www1-1/200/200197/417266/DSCN0789-vi.jpg)
and assembled everything:
(http://images4.fotoalbum.virgilio.it/v/www1-4/200/200197/417266/DSCN0794-vi.jpg)
I still need to add a few cabling and rounds belts I'm building right now as well as new cannon fairings
A step forward also in the assembly of the fuselage: it's eveident that the kit is very good and very little putty will be required.
(http://images2.fotoalbum.virgilio.it/v/www1-2/200/200197/417266/DSCN0795-vi.jpg) (http://images1.fotoalbum.virgilio.it/v/www1-1/200/200197/417266/DSCN0781-vi.jpg)
Any comment/suggestion is more then welcom
Cheers
Alberto


Title: Re: Presentation and question on Tamiya Spitfire Mk IX
Post by: Edgar Brooks on February 01, 2010, 11:27:34 AM
Don't forget the kit instructions to remove the aerial "post" from the rudder.  VHF radios (as used in the RAF, by 1941) didn't use them.  People are saying that this indicates that Tamiya plan on a Mk.I, but I'd say that they might include a Russian option in the future IXe, since the Russians used many of that Mark, and photos show them with the "old" aerials.
Edgar


Title: Re: Presentation and question on Tamiya Spitfire Mk IX
Post by: al49 on February 01, 2010, 12:17:15 PM
Don't forget the kit instructions to remove the aerial "post" from the rudder. 
Edgar
Hello,
many thanks for your advice.
I saw the "remove" note on the instruction but I thought it was referred to the residual of sprue.
Cheers
Alberto


Title: Re: Presentation and question on Tamiya Spitfire Mk IX
Post by: al49 on February 20, 2010, 12:06:39 AM
Hello,
here following are some photos on the assembly as it progress:
Alberto

Hello,
some more picture on the assembly
(http://images3.fotoalbum.virgilio.it/v/www1-3/200/200197/417266/DSCN0799copy-vi.jpg)
(http://images2.fotoalbum.virgilio.it/v/www1-2/200/200197/417266/DSCN0797-vi.jpg)
(http://images4.fotoalbum.virgilio.it/v/www1-4/200/200197/417266/DSCN0801copy-vi.jpg) (http://images3.fotoalbum.virgilio.it/v/www1-3/200/200197/417266/DSCN0802copy-vi.jpg)
I also added a couple of details on the Merlin engine
(http://images6.fotoalbum.virgilio.it/v/www1-6/200/200197/417266/DSCN0814copy-vi.jpg) (http://images1.fotoalbum.virgilio.it/v/www1-1/200/200197/417266/DSCN0800copy-vi.jpg)
Additionally I decided the livery I'm going to give to my model
(http://images1.fotoalbum.virgilio.it/v/www1-1/200/200197/417266/MK805c-vi.jpg)
(http://images5.fotoalbum.virgilio.it/v/www1-5/200/200197/417266/MK805a-vi.jpg) (http://images2.fotoalbum.virgilio.it/v/www1-2/200/200197/417266/MK805d-vi.jpg)
This aeroplane is the one on show at the Vigna Di Valle museum, near Rome.
You can notice the "E" wing, therefore I had to do some scratch-building ...
As usual, qny comment/suggestion is more then welcome
Cheers
Alberto


Title: Re: Presentation and question on Tamiya Spitfire Mk IX
Post by: marluc on March 06, 2010, 03:25:33 PM
Alberto,you´re making an outstanding work on this Spitfire,the engine and weapons bay are superb,the Hispano cannon is a masterpiece.Greetings.

Martin


Title: Re: Presentation and question on Tamiya Spitfire Mk IX
Post by: al49 on March 06, 2010, 07:30:01 PM
Alberto,you´re making an outstanding work on this Spitfire,the engine and weapons bay are superb,the Hispano cannon is a masterpiece.Greetings.

Martin

Many thanks,
I did very little after what's shown above, then had to stop my work because I'm almost ready for painting and, to do that, I need to wait for some good weather. In facts my airbrushing has to be done outside in the balcony, if i don't want to make my wife very, very upset.
Cheers
Alberto


Title: Re: Presentation and question on Tamiya Spitfire Mk IX
Post by: JamesF on May 01, 2011, 03:24:59 AM
Hello Alberto,

Great work!  What a kit from Tamiya!  I have a few questions and suggestions.  your cannon and .5 Browning are brilliant!  The gun bay, did your re-search confirm it was green?  Apparently a lot of the wing interior and areas of the fuselage on wartime aircraft was painted silver?  Also the ignition leads you have going across the top of the engine, you may want to check that.  The Spifire had two magnetos with two independant ignition harness leads going to the 24 spark plugs.  these harnesses I think ran parallel to the cylinder banks one on the lower side the others along the top?  This is in no way a criticism of your briliant work, but you seem to want to get it right.

The throttle was interesting.  Most aircraft later in the war came out with the Gyro Gunsight.  The adjustable graticule of the site, was adjusted by twisting the throttle handle (driven by two small sheathed cables attached to the throttle-gunsight).  As a result this throttle grip was larger and stuck out at right angles to the throttle lever arm.  The SAAF Museum Spifire MkIXe had this throttle, and it was normally black or aluminium in colour.  The Italian post war Spitfires may have had the gyro sight also?


Title: Re: Presentation and question on Tamiya Spitfire Mk IX
Post by: al49 on May 05, 2011, 03:00:14 PM
Hello Alberto,

Great work!  What a kit from Tamiya!  I have a few questions and suggestions.  your cannon and .5 Browning are brilliant!  The gun bay, did your re-search confirm it was green?  Apparently a lot of the wing interior and areas of the fuselage on wartime aircraft was painted silver?  Also the ignition leads you have going across the top of the engine, you may want to check that.  The Spifire had two magnetos with two independant ignition harness leads going to the 24 spark plugs.  these harnesses I think ran parallel to the cylinder banks one on the lower side the others along the top?  This is in no way a criticism of your briliant work, but you seem to want to get it right.

The throttle was interesting.  Most aircraft later in the war came out with the Gyro Gunsight.  The adjustable graticule of the site, was adjusted by twisting the throttle handle (driven by two small sheathed cables attached to the throttle-gunsight).  As a result this throttle grip was larger and stuck out at right angles to the throttle lever arm.  The SAAF Museum Spifire MkIXe had this throttle, and it was normally black or aluminium in colour.  The Italian post war Spitfires may have had the gyro sight also?

Hello James,
many thanks for your comment.
Besides I'm not at all a Spitfire expert, I will try to answer.
About the gun bay color: to be honest the only document I found was a model done by someone else and I copied it.
About the engine details you are almost surely correct.
About the gun sight, there is a photo on a book dedicated to Italian Spitfires that shows what to me seems a Gyro Gunsight
(http://img3.fotoalbum.virgilio.it/v/www1-5/200/200197/389546/gyrogs-vi.jpg)
but I had no pictures showing the details you are talking about.
Cheers
Alberto


Title: Re: Presentation and question on Tamiya Spitfire Mk IX
Post by: Jaybee on May 05, 2011, 03:59:20 PM
Hello Alberto,

Great work!  What a kit from Tamiya!  I have a few questions and suggestions.  your cannon and .5 Browning are brilliant!  The gun bay, did your re-search confirm it was green?  Apparently a lot of the wing interior and areas of the fuselage on wartime aircraft was painted silver?  Also the ignition leads you have going across the top of the engine, you may want to check that.  The Spifire had two magnetos with two independant ignition harness leads going to the 24 spark plugs.  these harnesses I think ran parallel to the cylinder banks one on the lower side the others along the top?  This is in no way a criticism of your briliant work, but you seem to want to get it right.

The throttle was interesting.  Most aircraft later in the war came out with the Gyro Gunsight.  The adjustable graticule of the site, was adjusted by twisting the throttle handle (driven by two small sheathed cables attached to the throttle-gunsight).  As a result this throttle grip was larger and stuck out at right angles to the throttle lever arm.  The SAAF Museum Spifire MkIXe had this throttle, and it was normally black or aluminium in colour.  The Italian post war Spitfires may have had the gyro sight also?

The article on the Hispano cannon in the ' Variants and technology ' section shows the interior of the gun bays in a Mk. IXe wing to be silver ( natural metal? ). As the interior of the fuselage aft of the cockpit was left unpainted from the Mk.V on it seems likely that areas inside hatches/under removable panels were also left unpainted from the Mk.V onward.